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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/18/2001 2:37 pm  
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Christians in Islamic Countries Targeted 
Source: www.NewsMax.com 
Wednesday, Oct. 17, 2001
 
WASHINGTON - The situation of Christians has deteriorated in many Islamic countries since the terrorist attacks on the U.S. and the subsequent U.S.-British raids on Afghanistan, according to Paul Marshall, a senior fellow at the Center for Religious Freedom.
A prominent U.S. imam Monday assailed as un-Islamic the persecution of Christians in Muslim countries ranging from Indonesia to Nigeria. "The Koran enjoins Muslims to treat everybody with dignity and compassion," said Muzzamil Siddiqi, director of the Islamic Society of Orange County, Calif., when asked about the murder threats, violence, forced conversions, incarceration and discrimination some Christians are being subjected to.

Diane Knippers, president of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, praised Siddiqi's remarks as a wonderful statement. "We need more of this. We need Muslim groups in the U.S. to raise their voices on behalf of Christians in predominantly Muslim areas."

Knippers pointed out that "U.S. churches were quick to speak up on behalf of Moslems in our society. They rightly encouraged all America to treat them with respect. At the same time the churches should speak up when Christians in Muslim areas are in jeopardy."

The National Council of Churches' news service also condemned persecution Monday.

"We consider persecution of any religious group unacceptable. We are actively engaged in protecting Christians and other religious minorities in countries around the world in partnership with indigenous religious groups. To give specific details could jeopardize both their security and our efforts on their behalf," the service said in a statement.






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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/18/2001 2:40 pm  
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In a similar vein, Jerry Powers of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops stated that his church had been consistently active on behalf of persecuted Christians abroad.

Marshall, an internationally recognized authority on religious rights, said Christians were in peril in a long belt of Muslim nations stretching from the eastern parts of Indonesia all the way to West Africa.

In some cases this was due to government policies; in others religious fanatics are menacing Christians, embarrassing national governments, he added.

In an interview with United Press International, Marshall drew a grim picture, country by country:


Indonesia: In the eastern islands of this largest Muslim nation in the world, white-uniformed militiamen of Laskar Jihad are forcibly converting Christians to Islam. Marshall said this caused considerable embarrassment to the government, which did not condone such actions.
This campaign has so far cost the lives of 5,000 to 6,000 people, the British-born scholar related. "There are links between Laskar Jihad and top terrorist Osama bin Laden," he said. 


Bangladesh: Small radical groups supporting Osama bin Laden have bombed or burned down churches.

Pakistan: Christians depend on the protection of the government as several Muslim leaders have issued fatwas (religious decrees) to kill two Pakistani Christians for every Afghan Muslim who dies in the Anglo-American air raids.
There have also been attacks on Christians along the Afghan border, Marshall told UPI.


Egypt: The government discriminates against Christianity by financing the construction of mosques, while denying permits for the reconstruction of Christian sanctuaries, according to Marshall. 

Saudi-Arabia: In the last two months, 15 Christian expatriates have been jailed for worshiping in private homes, and three have been tortured, according to the religious rights organization International Christian Concern. 
An information officer at the Saudi embassy in Washington, who declined to give his name, denied this Tuesday: "As far as we know this is not true. We are not aware of any in jail at this time," he said.

No religion other than Islam is allowed in the kingdom, and there is no church. When asked about this, Abdullah M. Khouj, rector of the Islamic Center in Washington, replied, "This is a matter to be negotiated between governments."


Sudan: Some 2 million people, chiefly Christians, have been killed in a civil war fought by the radical Islamic regime in the north of the country against non-Arab population in the south, according to several sources including Marshall and Diane Knippers' Institute on Religion and Democracy.
For several years now, international religious rights organizations have reported that Christians are being raped, tortured to death and crucified. 


Somalia: Anybody found out to be a Christian will quickly be beheaded by Muslim vigilantes, Marshall said.

Nigeria: In 12 states, versions of Shari'a law, the Islamic penal code, have been imposed - in violation of the constitution of that African federal republic.
After the imposition of Islamic law, riots ensued killing 5,000 in the city of Kaduna alone, said Marshall. Other reports put the death toll at around 1,000.


In other Muslim countries, such as Algeria, Islamic radicals opposed to the government are killing other Muslims, primarily women and children although they have also murdered priests, nuns and even a bishop, Marshall explained.
Others, such as the once-tolerant, formerly republican African nation of Mauritania are now taking tougher measures against Christians, Marshall continued. "If you arrive with a Bible, they'll take it off you. And it's illegal to preach Christianity to the locals."

Becoming a Christian in many Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iran or Afghanistan can mean that one loses one's job, one's ability to be educated, one's family, and even one's life, Wendy Norvell of the Southern Baptist Convention's International Mission Board told UPI.

Added Robert Reccord, president of the SBC's North American Mission board, "We look forward to the day when Christians living in Islamic countries will have the same religious freedoms that Muslims currently enjoy in the United States and Canada.

Copyright 2001 by United Press International.
All rights reserved. 






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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/18/2001 7:03 pm  
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Here is a very good web site Dedicated to Islamic outreach.

 

www.Answering-Islam.org/

 

The Difference between Christianity and Islam is literally the difference between Love and hate.

 

The True God has set the Example of Christian Love in Himself dying for the Sins of others. 

 

Christianity concentrates on what is Right with God, while Islam concentrates on what is wrong with people.

 

Heres too Looking to God!!

 

God Bless You,
David





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  From:  Time-chan (CATWHO)   10/25/2001 1:37 pm  
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However, Christianity doesn't have such a great religious track record, either. The Crusades . . . the Inquisition . . . and even today the fights in Ireland over Protestantism or Catholicism. 
True, one can say that those Christians who have killed in the past or are continuing to kill are not "true" Christians, but the same applies for those Muslims who propogate the terrorist state. More peaceful members of the religion can say they are not "true" Muslims as well. 

Personally, I can't believe in ANY religion that requires I kill fellow human beings for any reason. Abandoning the spirit of written words for the letter is exactly why I refuse to take any religious text on face value any more. The meaning lies deeper than the trappings of the words. 




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  From:  John Keeter (jm1611)   10/27/2001 8:12 pm  
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The Crusades etc. were politcal just like this war and called religious just like this war. Christianity even in a pale sense has NEEVR been at the ehar of ANY War. Catholicism has been big helpers of politcal causes during some of the ( and few in comparison) middle ages wars and they are anything but Christian. 

As for not taking any texts at face value anymore because of your emotions, what makes your own personal eclectic text based on your feelings, any safer at all or not even more dangerous?? 



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Philadelphia Baptist Church
Opelika, Alabama 

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2 Cor 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, He is a new creature, old things are passed away behold all things are become new"
 
  
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  From:  Time-chan (CATWHO)   10/28/2001 12:18 am  
To:  John Keeter (jm1611)   (6 of 9)  
 
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It doesn't make it any "safer" or "better." I follow my own sense of right and wrong (thanks to my mom I have a very nagging conscious.) Whether or not it that sense of right or wrong falls into the same belief system as any religion is irrelevent to me; the God (or Goddess, as we don't know) that I believe and trust in loves me for making a decision on my own and sticking to it ^_^ 
Catholicism was, indeed, a political force far more than a religious, but a war fought in the name of religion is still a jihad even if the religion lies only on the surface. Religion, historically, has been used for an *excuse* for war by all sides. A war under the guise of religion is still a war. That is, to me, why the separation of church and state remains so vitally important -- as it is, no one can rightfully accuse the US of fighting for the "national religion" and thus place the *blame* on religion. 

Forgive me, as my mind tends to wander as I write. ^_^ 




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/28/2001 8:51 am  
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Hi,

 

If you are holding up Americas so called separation clause which by the way says that the Government shall make No laws Restricting the Freedom and practice of Religion then you might want to consider a new example.

 

The United States of America with its secular government has been involved in more wars, military and police actions than any other Nation in the world and none of them have been for religious reasons.





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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/28/2001 9:16 am  
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Amendments of the Constitution of the United States of America
 

Source:

www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

 

 

Amendment I
 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. 

 

 

Amendment II
 

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. 

 

 

Amendment III
 

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. 

 

 

Amendment IV
 

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. 

 

 

Amendment V
 

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. 

 

 

Amendment VI
 

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense. 

 

 

Amendment VII
 

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. 

 

 

Amendment VIII
 
 
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   From:  John Keeter (jm1611)   11/2/2001 10:19 am  
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Hitler followed his "own sense of right and wrong" too. What good was that? Not only was it no good, it was EVIL. A concept which must be dealt with no matter what it is called. 

The Devil comes as an Angelo flight and everybody tries to make out like God is on their side, thats not Christianity's fault. All religions suffer from this, more often it is NOT the Christian "religion". 

You arguements agaisnt religion are founded on truth and half truths, but thats no arguement agaisnt Christianity. Its a straw man excuse for not dealing with the claims of Christ. Remeber, it was religion that crucified him. 


Pastor John M. Keeter
Philadelphia Baptist Church
Opelika, Alabama 
www.geocities.com/jmkeeter
2 Cor 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, He is a new creature, 
old things are passed away behold all things are become new" 

 
  
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